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	<title>Comments on: Ontario bar admission overhaul, part 1</title>
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		<title>By: To the class of 2012</title>
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		<dc:creator>To the class of 2012</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Apr 2009 15:36:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] of being reactionary. Here in Ontario, the mandatory first-year curriculum hasn’t changed in more than 50 years – you’re going to learn the same subjects this year as your predecessors did when JFK was the [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] of being reactionary. Here in Ontario, the mandatory first-year curriculum hasn’t changed in more than 50 years – you’re going to learn the same subjects this year as your predecessors did when JFK was the [...]</p>
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		<title>By: seva</title>
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		<dc:creator>seva</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Feb 2008 19:31:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am not sure about your conclusion that Law Schools provide sufficient practical training. In particular, I see three points of contradiction:

1. It varies dramatically school to school. As a recent graduate of UBC, courses with a practical element were outnumbered by &quot;social issues&quot; courses by a very large margin.

2. Most law school courses are taught by full time professors, most of whom have not practiced law in a very long time if at all. They are hardly in a position to impart practical skills.

3. The courses that do exist, be they far and few in some schools or plentiful in others, are optional. Thus, the amout of practical skills possessed by graduates (save for actual work experience) is governed largely by the number of practical courses that each graduate has taken, was able to get a seat in, or decided to forego altogether. Thus, even assuming that law schools have the capability to teach practical skills, they do not impart these skills on ALL graduates, which is exactly the purpose of the bar ads.

I have not read the entire report yet, although I plan to. However, I wonder how the comments made about the Ontario system would compare to the PLTC system used in BC where articling students must take a 10 week course covering corporate, commercial, real propetry, civil and criminal procedure, professional responsibility and practice management topics; pass one oral advocacy and thee written writing/drafting assessments (after several practice assignments); and pass two 3 hour exams covering the above topics. After this they must still article for 9 months, bringing the total articling time to 1 year.

From a beginner&#039;s perspective the system appears to be working quite well with one noticeable flaw that in order to enroll in PLTC you must already have an articling position, shutting out those who would be willing to pay for PLTC themselves while continuing their search for a firm.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am not sure about your conclusion that Law Schools provide sufficient practical training. In particular, I see three points of contradiction:</p>
<p>1. It varies dramatically school to school. As a recent graduate of UBC, courses with a practical element were outnumbered by &#8220;social issues&#8221; courses by a very large margin.</p>
<p>2. Most law school courses are taught by full time professors, most of whom have not practiced law in a very long time if at all. They are hardly in a position to impart practical skills.</p>
<p>3. The courses that do exist, be they far and few in some schools or plentiful in others, are optional. Thus, the amout of practical skills possessed by graduates (save for actual work experience) is governed largely by the number of practical courses that each graduate has taken, was able to get a seat in, or decided to forego altogether. Thus, even assuming that law schools have the capability to teach practical skills, they do not impart these skills on ALL graduates, which is exactly the purpose of the bar ads.</p>
<p>I have not read the entire report yet, although I plan to. However, I wonder how the comments made about the Ontario system would compare to the PLTC system used in BC where articling students must take a 10 week course covering corporate, commercial, real propetry, civil and criminal procedure, professional responsibility and practice management topics; pass one oral advocacy and thee written writing/drafting assessments (after several practice assignments); and pass two 3 hour exams covering the above topics. After this they must still article for 9 months, bringing the total articling time to 1 year.</p>
<p>From a beginner&#8217;s perspective the system appears to be working quite well with one noticeable flaw that in order to enroll in PLTC you must already have an articling position, shutting out those who would be willing to pay for PLTC themselves while continuing their search for a firm.</p>
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		<title>By: Jordan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jordan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Feb 2008 00:59:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, not in a recession, no. :-) &quot;Billable&quot; was extraneous -- thanks for the correction.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, not in a recession, no. :-) &#8220;Billable&#8221; was extraneous &#8212; thanks for the correction.</p>
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		<title>By: Tybalt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tybalt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2008 22:24:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One billable week?  No wonder I haven&#039;t heard from any friends in a long time.  I don&#039;t think there are too many 250-hour months being pulled down - certainly not here.  Maybe 20% of the people, 10% of the time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One billable week?  No wonder I haven&#8217;t heard from any friends in a long time.  I don&#8217;t think there are too many 250-hour months being pulled down &#8211; certainly not here.  Maybe 20% of the people, 10% of the time.</p>
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