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		<title>By: Jordan Furlong</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jordan Furlong</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Feb 2008 19:50:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Steve, these are good questions. I don&#039;t really see the system getting gamed because the motivation to do so in this case would be close to zero. A lawyer rating system like Avvo is extremely gaming-prone, but there&#039;s nobody out there with sufficient interest in illicitly boosting Hunter v. Southam over R. v. Oakes as the prime Charter ruling. I suppose there could be an orchestrated prank, a Rory-Fitzpatrick-like effort to vote heavily for some obscure NBQB ruling, but I would think that would require swuch unorthodox voting patterns that it would stand out and be rectified as an extreme outlier. For that reason, I would think a closed lawyer community wouldn&#039;t be necessary -- and maintaining such a community has its own challenges and costs in any event.

I could accept the argument that citation in a published court decision is a more effective measure of a case&#039;s utility only insofar as courts themselves are the eventual target market for much legal research, and that therefore, if you want to impress  a judge, you&#039;d better show her a case that impressed other judges. I&#039;m open to that purely pragmatic approach. But I&#039;m not yet prepared to accept that judges -- or their clerks, who do a lot of the actual research -- are inherently that much better at assessing the value of a given court ruling than is the legal profession at large. Judges have the same information biases, preferences and hangups as the rest of us, with the added difficulty that they&#039;re choosing among decisions written by colleagues, friends, or appellate judges who&#039;ll be reviewing their work. In a sufficiently large and diverse pool of caselaw Diggers (which I grant you is a prerequisite to making the system work), those biases tend to get washed out. Moreover, judicial citations can eventually become something of a closed shop -- the same rulings keep showing up all the time in multiple decisions -- and it&#039;s harder for a new entry to make its way in. I&#039;m willing to bet there&#039;s a tremendous amount of insight to be found in judgments that populate the long tail of the caselaw population, but that don&#039;t show up in the elite circulation of most cited cases.

All that said, I would concede that using a Digg-type system might function best, at least to begin with, as an alternative, complementary system to straight caselaw citation by judges. Judges (and their clerks) do know their stuff -- I just think that the profession at large knows its stuff too, and if given the chance through a system like the one envisioned, could show it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve, these are good questions. I don&#8217;t really see the system getting gamed because the motivation to do so in this case would be close to zero. A lawyer rating system like Avvo is extremely gaming-prone, but there&#8217;s nobody out there with sufficient interest in illicitly boosting Hunter v. Southam over R. v. Oakes as the prime Charter ruling. I suppose there could be an orchestrated prank, a Rory-Fitzpatrick-like effort to vote heavily for some obscure NBQB ruling, but I would think that would require swuch unorthodox voting patterns that it would stand out and be rectified as an extreme outlier. For that reason, I would think a closed lawyer community wouldn&#8217;t be necessary &#8212; and maintaining such a community has its own challenges and costs in any event.</p>
<p>I could accept the argument that citation in a published court decision is a more effective measure of a case&#8217;s utility only insofar as courts themselves are the eventual target market for much legal research, and that therefore, if you want to impress  a judge, you&#8217;d better show her a case that impressed other judges. I&#8217;m open to that purely pragmatic approach. But I&#8217;m not yet prepared to accept that judges &#8212; or their clerks, who do a lot of the actual research &#8212; are inherently that much better at assessing the value of a given court ruling than is the legal profession at large. Judges have the same information biases, preferences and hangups as the rest of us, with the added difficulty that they&#8217;re choosing among decisions written by colleagues, friends, or appellate judges who&#8217;ll be reviewing their work. In a sufficiently large and diverse pool of caselaw Diggers (which I grant you is a prerequisite to making the system work), those biases tend to get washed out. Moreover, judicial citations can eventually become something of a closed shop &#8212; the same rulings keep showing up all the time in multiple decisions &#8212; and it&#8217;s harder for a new entry to make its way in. I&#8217;m willing to bet there&#8217;s a tremendous amount of insight to be found in judgments that populate the long tail of the caselaw population, but that don&#8217;t show up in the elite circulation of most cited cases.</p>
<p>All that said, I would concede that using a Digg-type system might function best, at least to begin with, as an alternative, complementary system to straight caselaw citation by judges. Judges (and their clerks) do know their stuff &#8212; I just think that the profession at large knows its stuff too, and if given the chance through a system like the one envisioned, could show it.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Matthews</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve Matthews</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Feb 2008 19:07:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jordan, I like your idea, but wonder if this type of system could/would be &#039;gamed&#039;? And if so, to whose benefit?

It would be easy enough to set up, but how much value would it deliver? Perhaps a closed community of the legal profession, rather than a free-for-all?

The other question I would have is if it would be an improvement over case law citation. One would think the cases lawyers cite before the courts would be a pretty tough methodology of authority to improve on. Do you think a &#039;wisdom of the crowds&#039; concept would be fair better? or maybe it would simply offer an alternative &amp; more democratic measure to value case law? I think I&#039;d be more inclined to see it as an alternative measure concept. You?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jordan, I like your idea, but wonder if this type of system could/would be &#8216;gamed&#8217;? And if so, to whose benefit?</p>
<p>It would be easy enough to set up, but how much value would it deliver? Perhaps a closed community of the legal profession, rather than a free-for-all?</p>
<p>The other question I would have is if it would be an improvement over case law citation. One would think the cases lawyers cite before the courts would be a pretty tough methodology of authority to improve on. Do you think a &#8216;wisdom of the crowds&#8217; concept would be fair better? or maybe it would simply offer an alternative &amp; more democratic measure to value case law? I think I&#8217;d be more inclined to see it as an alternative measure concept. You?</p>
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