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		<title>By: This is not a drill</title>
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		<dc:creator>This is not a drill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Mar 2009 19:40:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] first wave, as we&#8217;ve seen, is the beginning of the end of large groups of associates in law firms. But we&#8217;re also seeing transactional legal work transformed  by online document assembly, [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Brenda Hollingsworth</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brenda Hollingsworth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Feb 2009 15:13:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree something is going to give and should  give in the current big firm model.  

However, despite the current financial situation, surely the premise that clients hire based on who they know, like and trust has not been completely abandoned.  Of course there are those who will hire purely on cost, but those are rarely great clients anyway.

As a large firm with institutional clients, I would be concerned about the loss of relationship building with future decision makers if junior lawyers are overly commoditized.  From my big law days, I recall the really successful associates were the ones who formed relationships with the more junior decision makers at the client.  Both the associate and the junior decision maker would grow together and the relationship between the firm and the institution would continue into the next generation.   If the junior decision maker moved, that was just another opportunity for the associate to form a relationship with the junior decision maker&#039;s new company.

Presumably if you are an independant contractor, you may make that relationship but there is no guarantee that you will use it to benefit a particular law firm.

I think the key is what you have been talking about for a while.  Firms have to change how they bill. Paying $250 per hour to have a 1st year lawyer fill in some basic corporate filing is just annoying and makes the client feel stupid.    Paying an annual &quot;membership fee&quot; to have all your corporate records carefully maintained and reviewed by a reputable law firm makes the client feel like they are taking care of their business.  There is even more value added when the firm agrees to provide a certain number of &quot;free advice&quot; calls for the cost of the membership.  

The smart big firms, I think, will continue to build relationships between people.  It&#039;s what they sell and how they sell it that has to evolve.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree something is going to give and should  give in the current big firm model.  </p>
<p>However, despite the current financial situation, surely the premise that clients hire based on who they know, like and trust has not been completely abandoned.  Of course there are those who will hire purely on cost, but those are rarely great clients anyway.</p>
<p>As a large firm with institutional clients, I would be concerned about the loss of relationship building with future decision makers if junior lawyers are overly commoditized.  From my big law days, I recall the really successful associates were the ones who formed relationships with the more junior decision makers at the client.  Both the associate and the junior decision maker would grow together and the relationship between the firm and the institution would continue into the next generation.   If the junior decision maker moved, that was just another opportunity for the associate to form a relationship with the junior decision maker&#8217;s new company.</p>
<p>Presumably if you are an independant contractor, you may make that relationship but there is no guarantee that you will use it to benefit a particular law firm.</p>
<p>I think the key is what you have been talking about for a while.  Firms have to change how they bill. Paying $250 per hour to have a 1st year lawyer fill in some basic corporate filing is just annoying and makes the client feel stupid.    Paying an annual &#8220;membership fee&#8221; to have all your corporate records carefully maintained and reviewed by a reputable law firm makes the client feel like they are taking care of their business.  There is even more value added when the firm agrees to provide a certain number of &#8220;free advice&#8221; calls for the cost of the membership.  </p>
<p>The smart big firms, I think, will continue to build relationships between people.  It&#8217;s what they sell and how they sell it that has to evolve.</p>
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		<title>By: Defending People &#187; Blawg Review #199</title>
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		<dc:creator>Defending People &#187; Blawg Review #199</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Feb 2009 04:48:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] start.&#8221; Nobody seems to think the purges are over. Jordan Furlong (Law21) thinks that &#8220;What we’re looking at here is the real possibility that the law firm associate, in its current for...,&#8221; and Bruce MacEwen (Adam Smith, Esq.) suggests a few ways for firms to cull their ranks more [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] start.&#8221; Nobody seems to think the purges are over. Jordan Furlong (Law21) thinks that &#8220;What we’re looking at here is the real possibility that the law firm associate, in its current for&#8230;,&#8221; and Bruce MacEwen (Adam Smith, Esq.) suggests a few ways for firms to cull their ranks more [...]</p>
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		<title>By: The Disappearing Associate&#8230; Valentine’s Day Massacre: Holland &#38; Knight fired 70 lawyers and 173 staff &#171; Holland &#38; Knight Investigation</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Disappearing Associate&#8230; Valentine’s Day Massacre: Holland &#38; Knight fired 70 lawyers and 173 staff &#171; Holland &#38; Knight Investigation</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Feb 2009 22:42:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] The Disappearing Associate&#8230; Valentine’s Day Massacre: Holland &amp; Knight fired 70 lawyers and 173&#160;staff In 1 on February 14, 2009 at 10:42 pm  The disappearing associate By Jordan Furlong &#124; February 13, 2009 &#124; law21.ca [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Ian Brodie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ian Brodie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Feb 2009 16:13:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yep - the &quot;Tesco Law&quot; over here in the UK has really opened up the field for basic services to be done by low cost providers. In fact it&#039;s probably only the recession that has prevent a lot of new entrants (as financial institutions are focusing on their core business at the moment).

These shifts can be very painful, and there is a risk over quality. But the reality is that much of the work carried out by highly qualified (and paid) specialists could be done be much less expensive methods. 

Ian</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yep &#8211; the &#8220;Tesco Law&#8221; over here in the UK has really opened up the field for basic services to be done by low cost providers. In fact it&#8217;s probably only the recession that has prevent a lot of new entrants (as financial institutions are focusing on their core business at the moment).</p>
<p>These shifts can be very painful, and there is a risk over quality. But the reality is that much of the work carried out by highly qualified (and paid) specialists could be done be much less expensive methods. </p>
<p>Ian</p>
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		<title>By: Jordan Furlong</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jordan Furlong</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Feb 2009 16:02:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Couldn&#039;t agree more, Ian.  It&#039;s an indicator of just how paleozoic are the practices surrounding workflow in law firms. Concepts taken for granted in other industries (e.g., work should devolve to the most cost-efficient available competency) run counter to the business models of many law firms. Firms&#039; resistance will be fierce, but I&#039;m having a hard time seeing it pay off in the long run.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Couldn&#8217;t agree more, Ian.  It&#8217;s an indicator of just how paleozoic are the practices surrounding workflow in law firms. Concepts taken for granted in other industries (e.g., work should devolve to the most cost-efficient available competency) run counter to the business models of many law firms. Firms&#8217; resistance will be fierce, but I&#8217;m having a hard time seeing it pay off in the long run.</p>
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		<title>By: Ian Brodie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ian Brodie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Feb 2009 15:51:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very interesting article Jordan,

Speaking from an outsider&#039;s perspective (from the management consultancy industry) - the &quot;fundamental changes&quot; - such as abandoning lockstep compensation - seem like tiny tweaks to be frank. 

Surely a fundamental change would be an examination of whether legally qualified staff (who are inevitably going to be relatively well rewarded under any scheme because of their huge investment in education and training and the fact they are selected from the upper echelons of the education system).

In the consulting industry, more fundamental shifts have happened through the shifting of work to para-professionals, offshore, and to clients themselves. All made easier and faster in consulting by the lack of necessity of formal qualifications and accreditation. But surely inevitable in law also over time.

Ian</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very interesting article Jordan,</p>
<p>Speaking from an outsider&#8217;s perspective (from the management consultancy industry) &#8211; the &#8220;fundamental changes&#8221; &#8211; such as abandoning lockstep compensation &#8211; seem like tiny tweaks to be frank. </p>
<p>Surely a fundamental change would be an examination of whether legally qualified staff (who are inevitably going to be relatively well rewarded under any scheme because of their huge investment in education and training and the fact they are selected from the upper echelons of the education system).</p>
<p>In the consulting industry, more fundamental shifts have happened through the shifting of work to para-professionals, offshore, and to clients themselves. All made easier and faster in consulting by the lack of necessity of formal qualifications and accreditation. But surely inevitable in law also over time.</p>
<p>Ian</p>
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